Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL), a member of the House Oversight Committee and chair of its Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets, told Joe Rogan on his podcast in August 2025 that she has seen photographic evidence of what she called “interdimensional beings.”
This piece covers what she actually said, in her own words, and separately covers a much-circulated “FBI document” that gets attached to this story in ways that misrepresent what it actually is.
What Luna Actually Said
Luna, an Air Force veteran who served as an airfield manager at the Portland Air National Guard base before entering Congress, described a specific memory from her military service: an airspace incursion at the base that F-15 pilots she worked with declined to discuss. “We can’t really talk about it,” she recalled them saying. She has since become one of the more visible congressional voices pushing for UAP records declassification, and in February 2025 she and Rep. James Comer sent formal letters to the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and CIA Director requesting a briefing on UAP-related records.
On Rogan’s show, quoted here directly from the published transcript rather than paraphrase: “They call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. And that’s not something that I came up with on my own. That’s based on stuff that we’ve seen, that’s based on information that we’ve been told.” When Rogan pressed her for specifics, she said: “Have I seen a portal open? No. Have I seen a spaceship personally? No. Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes.” Rogan’s own response was direct: “That’s very vague.” Luna agreed: “Yeah, yeah.”
These are real statements from a real sitting member of Congress with genuine access to classified briefings through her committee role. That fact alone makes them worth reporting accurately. It does not make them proof of anything specific, by Luna’s own account she has not personally witnessed a craft or a portal, and her most concrete claim is that she has seen photographs she personally finds compelling, which she has not been able to make public.
The “FBI Memo” That Isn’t an FBI Finding
This is where the story most commonly gets misrepresented, and it needs a direct correction rather than repetition. A document known as Memorandum 6751 does exist in the FBI’s declassified online reading room, The Vault, filed among a large collection of UFO-related material released under FOIA. It describes beings from an “etheric planet” that “interpenetrates with our own,” references esoteric terms like “Lokas or Talas,” and describes their supposed mission as peaceful.
What this document is not: an FBI investigation, finding, or confirmation of anything. Researchers who have traced its origin attribute it to Meade Layne, the founder of the Borderland Sciences Research Associates, a metaphysical research group active in the 1940s and 50s that developed the “etheric” and “Lokas and Talas” terminology independently of any government investigation. This is the same figure and the same organizational circle behind the unauthenticated Gerald Light letter describing a 1954 meeting at Muroc Air Force Base, covered elsewhere in this library with the same caveat that applies here: real historical artifact, unauthenticated content, no independent verification. The FBI’s role with Memo 6751 was to receive and retain a document that came into its files during a period of heightened UFO interest following the Roswell incident, not to investigate, confirm, or endorse its claims. Filing a document is not the same as confirming what it says, and describing this as “FBI Confirmation,” as popular retellings of this story often do, significantly overstates what the record actually shows.
Two Real Documents, No Corroboration Between Them
Luna’s statements are on the record, made by a sitting member of Congress with committee access to classified UAP material, worth taking seriously as a data point about what oversight committee members are being told, even accounting for the vagueness Rogan himself pointed out mid-interview. The 1940s FBI file is a genuine physical document sitting in the Bureau’s own archive. What doesn’t exist between them is corroboration. An unauthenticated 1940s metaphysical circular that the FBI happened to retain is not independent government confirmation of what a congresswoman said on a podcast in 2025, whatever the two get made to look like once stitched together.
